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I thought I would post some images of the latest iteration of my Piaggio Boxer EV project. I hadn't actually shown the Prius batteries mounted, even though I had done that almost a year and a half ago.


This is the front, showing new 9 watt LED front bulb. Blindingly bright:

PiaggioBoxerEV4 001


This is the Prius pack mounted in the 6s2p configuration, given me 43.2 volts @ 13 Ah nominal. I made the battery carrier myself. The motor speed controller is below the pack, but it's hard to see from this angle:

PiaggioBoxerEV4 002

This shows the new style HobbyKing motor mounted. The new motor was longer than the old one (even though the specs on HobbyKing's site weren't updated) which meant it could no longer fit in the old motor mount. I had to weld together my own motor mount. Right now, I'm holding the motor only on one side, leaving the other open for the cooling fan (made from a PC computer fan) - note that the motor spins counter-clockwise from this perspective, so the fan draws air into the motor. I think I'll eventually end up making a retention bracket for the right side as well, to prevent too much stress on the bearings on motor:

PiaggioBoxerEV4 003

This left hand side shows how the motor was moved forward in order to fit:

PiaggioBoxerEV4 004

A little view of the wonderful CycleAnalyst:

PiaggioBoxerEV4 005


This is the new reverse-current board that I made using MOSFETs. It's not perfect, but it's more efficient than the blocking diodes that I used -- which were expelling 1.7 volts @ 100 amps == 170 watts when the motor was at full speed!


PiaggioBoxerEV4 006

Ending with another side view.

PiaggioBoxerEV4

I burnt out the original brushless motor and installed a new one, here's the new revised bill of materials (BOM) (dated 2011.5):

PiaggioBoxerEV4
Base Unit Piaggio Boxer (1971)
- 50 cc 2-stroke internal combustion engine (removed)
Electric Motor Turnigy 80-100-A 180Kv Brushless Outrunner from Hobby King
  • - Tachs: 7700 rpm @ 43.2v nominal (6500 rpm @ 36v)
  • - Max amps drawn: 140A @ 43V
  • - Max watts drawn: ~ 6 kilowatts
  • - Geared with 250A front pulley and notched V-belt
  • - Speed: 50 kph top speed (at current gearing)
Electronic Speed Controller Castle Creations Phoenix HV-110 (link)
- 110 amps @ 50 volts limit
- Force air cooled
Throttle Magura 0-5K Potentiometer motorcycle twist grip throttle
Servo Tester (Pot to ESC) Boman Industries Polar-Matic PC-50 (ebay)
-modified for use with Magura pot and HV-110
Power Monitor Cycle Analyst (link)
Batteries Prius Gen 2 NiMH
- 6S2P packs (12 in total)
- 43.2 volts nominal @ 6.5 Ah each
- 43.2 volts nominal @ 13 Ah combined
- 330 watt-hours (conservative)
- Range: unknown but estimated 7 km based on 45 Wh/km and 330 watt-h calculation
Power Connectors - Anderson PowerPole 75A on main connections - link
- Anderson PowerPole 30A on sub connections - link
Wiring - 8 gauge stranded copper on main power lines and motor leads
- 12 gauge stranded copper on sub power lines
Lighting - Front lighting using 10-Watt LED (driven at 12v @ 750ma; specced at 500~600 lumens @ 6500K )
- Rear lighting using high-power red LEDs
Low Voltage (48VDC to 12/5 VDC) DC:DC Converters
  1. Twin 12VDC @ 3A DC:DC converters using the National Semiconductor LM2576HVT-12-ND buck-converter
    1. Unit 1: Front and rear lighting, motor cooling fan
    2. Unit 2: ESC controller cooling
  2. 12 volt to 5VDC converter using MC34063 Based Switching Regulator for front lighting (currently bypassed)
  3. Quark Pro BEC 3A 5V UBEC for servo tester / RC components
Things I burned out/destroyed
  • E-Sky EK2-0907 Servo Tester
  • Doc Wattson power monitor
  • ELF 100 ESC speed controller
  • Castle Creations Phoenix HV-110
  • HXT 80-100-B 130Kv Brushless Outrunner motor
  • Right index finger on burnt out ESC
  • Power diodes for battery tap
  • Various burns and scrapes
  • My pride :-)

Please leave comments and questions on this post!

Just a quick update on my Piaggio Boxer EV. I had originally thought I had burnt out a motor lead when I put it away for the winter. Taking it apart a few weeks ago, it turns out that it looks like I've shorted out the motor itself. Most likely some FOD (foreign object debris) got kicked into the motor housing, shorting out one of the stators.

I bought a replacement motor from HobbyKing but when it arrived, it turned out to be longer and larger than the original, necessitating some redesign of the motor mount. More photos to follow.

But all has been installed and my test run last night was a success. So it looks like it's back in action just in time for the summer.

Questions from Glenn about my Piaggio Boxer-EV:

1.After your initial problems with controller choice, have the motor and controller worked out OK for you? I'd be worried about motor cooling of something designed for air-over, prop slipstream.


Well, I've burnt out two controllers. I'm now force-cooling them with a high-speed fan designed for a blade server, so I'm hoping the present controller will last.  Right now, though, my bike is in the garage for an undiagnosed power problem. I'm thinking one of the motor power leads has broken, although I haven't had time for a full diagnosis.

The motor itself doesn't get that hot (although if I have melted a power lead, I'll have to go back on that statement).  I've measured it with an IR thermometer after running it and it doesn't get too much beyond 75°C.   I currently have it force-cooled with a fan. I'd ideally like to have it cooled by the air from the slip stream, but  there's too much risk of gunk / water getting kicked up by the wheel and pushed into the motor if I use a ram-jet type cooling vent.

2.Are you really using all 7kW(9+HP!) of the motors capacity? It seems like a lot for a bike your size.

No, my peak seems to be 90-100 amps at 36-48 volts or around 5 electric HP.  Which isn't a whole lot, many contemporary 50cc scooters will put out that much.

3.Do you know of any motors sized between your reasonably priced 7kW and the disgusting $2K 12kW units? Thanks, Glenn

The Etek motor and its clones seems to be the power unit of choice for many scooter /motorbike conversions.   Brand new, it's around $1000 - $2000 but you can find the clones on ebay for around $400-600. It comes in both brushless and brushed versions.

Karen

The weather was finally nice enough to commute to work this week on my Piaggio Boxer EV with Prius NiMH batteries.

Here's the data from my CycleAnalyst:

Run #1
1.18
(To)
Run #2
1.18
(From)
Run #3
1.19
(To)
Run #5
1.20
(To)
Distance5.2 km4.85 km4.21 km4.19 km
Efficiency45.1 Wh/km39.2 Wh/km42.2 Wh/km47.6 Wh/km
Energy used234.23 Wh189.87 Wh176.92 Wh199.03 Wh
Charge Used5.90 Ah4.28 Ah4.01 Ah5.01 Ah
Max Amps106 A101 A91 A101 A
Average Speed20.6 km/h23.3 km/h24.8 km/h24.1 km/h
Max Speed36.6 km/h40.3 km/h39.0 km/h36.6 km/h
Starting voltage---49.950.247.2
Ending voltage43.8v45.9v---44.2v
Run time15 min12:3010:1010:24

My commute is slightly uphill on the way to work and downhill on the way back, which accounts for the difference in energy efficiency going to and from work.

The bike feels much lighter than with the SLAs and faster too (even with the gear reduction) so I have to say it's an unqualified success. I just hope I can get good life out of these batteries.

After Run #4, I was in a rush and so I put the charger on and went to a talk and then came back. About 3 hours had passed and the charger had over charged the batteries. It actually wedged the battery holder apart. So I'm worried now that my batteries will be weakened -- even though most of the bulging has subsided.

I reinforced the battery holder this morning and we'll see how it holds up.

I just bought a cute little folding bike. At first I thought it was a Brompton but a little more research shows that it's most probably an Italian bike, my best guess is the Amica built by the Carnielli bike company. I'm not positive since someone repainted the bike a horrendous orange.

I'm working on a bicycle assist motor project. I thought about using a hub motor or chain drive but given the economy, I'm going with a friction drive. Friction drive is cheap, has few little moving parts to go wrong, and is cheap. I think I can make it using parts almost entirely found around the shop -- with the exception of the friction roller.

Now what I like about friction drive is if you use a roller with a one-way bearing and take advantage of some physics, the motor can release from the wheel entirely when freewheeling, so the bicycle remains entirely pedal-able on its own.

I decided to go with rollers from the defunct EV Warrior project. They're available on the surplus market, have one way bearings, and are nicely knurled. Other people are making their own friction rollers from BMX wheel hub extensions, but they don't have one-way bearings.

Here are some dimensions almost entirely for my own benefit.

PartInchmm
Shaft OD0.500"12.70mm
Shaft ID0.315"
(a tad over 5/16")
8.00
Shaft Width3.016"76.61
Roller Width2.375"
2 3/8"
60.35
Roller OD1.275"
~1 1/4"
32.38
Key Notch Width0.130"3.32
Key Notch Depth0.411"10.4

I have the Prius NiMH batteries installed and test drove it but the snowstorm of 2009 has put the dampers on harder testing. In any case, here's the new revised bill of materials (BOM) (dated 2009.12):

Base Unit Piaggio Boxer (1971)
- 50 cc 2-stroke internal combustion engine (removed)
Electric Motor HXT 80-100-B 130Kv Brushless Outrunner from HobbyKing
- link to new version of motor
- Tachs: 5600 rpm @ 43.2v nominal (4500 rpm @ 36v; 6000 rpm @ 48v)
- Max amps drawn: 100A @ 43V
- Max watts drawn: ~ 4300 watts
- Speed: 45 kph top speed (at current gearing)
Electronic Speed Controller Castle Creations Phoenix HV-110 (link)
- 110 amps @ 50 volts limit
Throttle Magura 0-5K Potentiometer motorcycle twist grip throttle
Servo Tester (Pot to ESC) Boman Industries Polar-Matic PC-50 (ebay)
Power Monitor Cycle Analyst (link)
Batteries Currently SLA: Prius Gen 2 NiMH
- 6S2P packs (12 in total)
- 43.2 volts nominal @ 13 Ah
- 330 watt-hours (conservative)
- Range: unknown
Power Connectors - Anderson PowerPole 75A on main connections - link
- Anderson PowerPole 30A on sub connections - link
Wiring - 8 gauge stranded copper on main power lines and motor leads
- 12 gauge stranded copper on sub power lines
Lighting - Front lighting using high-power Luxeon LED
- Rear lighting using high-power red LEDs
Low Voltage (12/5VDC) Converters
  1. 12VDC converter using National Semiconductor LM2576HVT-12-ND buck-converter for motor cooling fan, front lighting (via 5vdc) and rear lighting
  2. 12 volt to 5VDC converter using MC34063 Based Switching Regulator for front lighting
  3. Another 12VDC converter using National Semiconductor LM2576HVT-12-ND buck-converter for ESC controller cooling
  4. Quark Pro BEC 3A UBEC for servo tester / RC components
Things I burned out/destroyed
  • E-Sky EK2-0907 Servo Tester
  • Doc Wattson power monitor
  • ELF 100 ESC speed controller
  • Castle Creations Phoenix HV-110
  • Right index finger on burnt out ESC
  • Various burns and scrapes

When I first started building my Boxer-EV, the motor I installed in it was the largest brushless motor available for RC systems:

Model: HXT80-100-B
Wire Turns: 8
Resistance: 32ohm
Idle Current: 2A
ESC Required: 130A
Input Voltage : max. 48V 
Kv : 130 rpm/V 
Weight: 1570g
Shaft: 12mm
Voltage Range: 20-48v
Non Load Current: 2.0A
Maximum Power: 6500W
Equivalent: 60-80cc Gas Engine

I've been very happy with it. With my 48 volt setup, I'm producing enough power that my drive belt started slipping -- so I reduced the gearing a bit to back off the torque. Still, vroom vroom.

ProgressiveRC.com has a great online list of RC brushless motors and you can sort by watts consumed. Looks like there are some great 10,000 watt motors (holy cowabunga!) the only problem being they are around US$2000 and above. My $130 + shipping RC motor is still on the top of the price/performance curve.


It looks like the dealer in Hong Kong I get things from has come out with a new version of the motor. The specs seem the same but they note: "Tight, thick copper windings and 48SH magnets make this motor a real powerhouse. The v2 motor also has screwed end-caps due to the amount of torque this motor produces!"

HXT80-100-A.jpg
HXT80-100B.png
Model: TR80-100-B
Wire Turns: 8
Resistance: 32ohm
Idle Current: 2A
ESC Required: 130A
Input Voltage : max. 48V 
Kv : 130 rpm/V
Weight: 1570g
Shaft: 12mm
Voltage Range: 20-48v
Non Load Current: 2.0A
Maximum Power: 6500W
Equivalent: 60-80cc Gas Engine

PriusGenIINiMH.pngI just won a bid for twelve Prius packs! They should hopefully be arriving later this week or early next.

Update: Batteries arrived and ready to be installed!

Each pack is a 7.2 volts 6.5 Ah prismatic NiMH battery with six cells. I'll be configuring them as 6S2P for 43.2 volts 13 Ah. I'm hoping that I can get at least 60% of the SOC from them (80% to 20% as on the Prius). That would be 43 volts, 7.8 Ah or 335 watt-hours.

This is perfect as I'm currently consuming 200 watts-hours each way with the heavy SLAs. The lighter NiMH packs should get my power consumption down even lower.

TypeDescriptionWhWeight
SLATempest TR35-12 (rated 35Ah)
-- 35 Ah @ 36 volts
-- I don't get 35Ah, closer to 10 Ah due to Peukerts

Specific Energy 35 Wh/kg nominal
Specific Energy 10 Wh/kg derated
360 Wh 1 @ 11.8 kg
3 @ 35.4 kg (78 lb)
NiMHPrius Gen II Battery (rated 6.5Ah) @ 1040 grams
-- 13 Ah @ 43.2 volts
-- derated 60% for a conservative Ah of 7.8 Ah

Module Weight 1040 g
Specific Power 1300 W/kg

Specific Energy 46 Wh/kg nominal
Specific Energy 27 Wh/kg derated
335 Wh 1 @ 1.04 kg
12 @ 12.48 kg (27.5 lb)

It looks like I'll be saving a good 20 kilograms or 50 pounds with only a slight loss in Watt-hours! I will have to bodge up a new battery carrier as the cells need to be kept under compression when being charged.

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